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		<title>Comment on Celebrating sausage theft by akin</title>
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		<dc:creator>akin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 07:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, takes me back to a time of innocence, and all things Gerry Anderson (Go, Joe 90!) Nice work, my liege!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dolly does Denmark by tabascokid</title>
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		<dc:creator>tabascokid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant news!  There&#039;ll be a whole new blog when Dolly is decent again.  I&#039;d hate to make her blush...  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant news!  There&#8217;ll be a whole new blog when Dolly is decent again.  I&#8217;d hate to make her blush&#8230;  <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Dolly does Denmark by Sandeha Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeha Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dolly is now totally naked, but feeling nice and clean all over.  She has a new black dress ready and as soon as her eyesight clears up she&#039;ll get her kit back on.

She sports her scars with pride.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolly is now totally naked, but feeling nice and clean all over.  She has a new black dress ready and as soon as her eyesight clears up she&#8217;ll get her kit back on.</p>
<p>She sports her scars with pride.  <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Toof Ache by Leon Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Simisker - Hey Rich, While I&#039;m more than capable of producing toofers, including a fine example the day after I published this post, (Thanks for pointing that out, Dan...) this was the best I could find when I was putting the post together.  I&#039;ve noticed some really bad examples from other photographers and bloggers but am far too polite to have included them here!  ;)

If a picture has a clear differences in mood, character or shape, then it&#039;s certainly great to put them out as it does indeed offer choice.  The problem comes from those who shoot five images of someone walking out of a door, edit five pictures of someone walking out of a door and publish five pictures of someone walking out of a door.  If there&#039;s so little difference between the images that the viewer has to say &quot;Ah, his foot is slightly closer to the ground in that frame and is touching the floor by the third frame&quot; then you aren&#039;t providing choice, merely visual noise to clog up the wire. 

It almost feels like some photographers are so happy to get a sharp, well-exposed set of pictures that they immediately feel that they all automatically qualify as great images.  In the world of photo agencies, it often feels as though some adopt the attitude of drowning out the opposition than actually providing quality.  After all, if they put out 300 images from a job while a rival only puts out 25, what are the odds of the rivals images being spotted among the flood that hits the wire?  If this mentality continues to a theoretical conclusion, everyone will just file every frame they take from a job and they&#039;ll all end up on the wire.  Where&#039;s the quality control?  Where&#039;s the skill?

While I don&#039;t blame the photographer or the agency for putting out a large selection of images, if you have to bring up a series of images into a browser to look for minute differences, there&#039;s a problem.

In the blogging world, the issue comes from being too closely attached to your production.  Unlike the world of press or PR photography, you aren&#039;t providing the images to an editor or client so have no-one to tell you what to ditch.  Self-control should leap into action at this point so that you can really illustrate your abilities in a defining image, not uploading every frame that was in focus.

Coming from your area of graphic design, many of these issues won&#039;t apply as you&#039;ll be buying from stock libraries that are a world unto themselves.  The more images of &lt;a href=&quot;http://thehairpin.com/2011/01/women-laughing-alone-with-salad&quot; title=&quot;WOmen laughing alone with salad&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;women laughing alone with salad&lt;/a&gt; the better.  As I hope this tries to explain, I&#039;m only dealing with world that I work in!  :)

Hope all&#039;s well, bud!

PS Here&#039;s another fine &lt;a href=&quot;http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water&quot; title=&quot;Women struggling to drink water&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;selection of stockery&lt;/a&gt; :)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Simisker &#8211; Hey Rich, While I&#8217;m more than capable of producing toofers, including a fine example the day after I published this post, (Thanks for pointing that out, Dan&#8230;) this was the best I could find when I was putting the post together.  I&#8217;ve noticed some really bad examples from other photographers and bloggers but am far too polite to have included them here!  <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If a picture has a clear differences in mood, character or shape, then it&#8217;s certainly great to put them out as it does indeed offer choice.  The problem comes from those who shoot five images of someone walking out of a door, edit five pictures of someone walking out of a door and publish five pictures of someone walking out of a door.  If there&#8217;s so little difference between the images that the viewer has to say &#8220;Ah, his foot is slightly closer to the ground in that frame and is touching the floor by the third frame&#8221; then you aren&#8217;t providing choice, merely visual noise to clog up the wire. </p>
<p>It almost feels like some photographers are so happy to get a sharp, well-exposed set of pictures that they immediately feel that they all automatically qualify as great images.  In the world of photo agencies, it often feels as though some adopt the attitude of drowning out the opposition than actually providing quality.  After all, if they put out 300 images from a job while a rival only puts out 25, what are the odds of the rivals images being spotted among the flood that hits the wire?  If this mentality continues to a theoretical conclusion, everyone will just file every frame they take from a job and they&#8217;ll all end up on the wire.  Where&#8217;s the quality control?  Where&#8217;s the skill?</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t blame the photographer or the agency for putting out a large selection of images, if you have to bring up a series of images into a browser to look for minute differences, there&#8217;s a problem.</p>
<p>In the blogging world, the issue comes from being too closely attached to your production.  Unlike the world of press or PR photography, you aren&#8217;t providing the images to an editor or client so have no-one to tell you what to ditch.  Self-control should leap into action at this point so that you can really illustrate your abilities in a defining image, not uploading every frame that was in focus.</p>
<p>Coming from your area of graphic design, many of these issues won&#8217;t apply as you&#8217;ll be buying from stock libraries that are a world unto themselves.  The more images of <a href="http://thehairpin.com/2011/01/women-laughing-alone-with-salad" title="WOmen laughing alone with salad" target="_blank" >women laughing alone with salad</a> the better.  As I hope this tries to explain, I&#8217;m only dealing with world that I work in!  <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hope all&#8217;s well, bud!</p>
<p>PS Here&#8217;s another fine <a href="http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water" title="Women struggling to drink water" target="_blank" >selection of stockery</a> <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
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		<title>Comment on Toof Ache by simisker</title>
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		<dc:creator>simisker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the brace of photos at the top being used to illustrate an example of a toofer, Leon?

I ask because I see two images of sufficient distinction as to be able to support/represent two different story slants [or spins, agendas, angles... whatever the industry parlance is].

For argument&#039;s sake, let&#039;s say that the top image would be suitable for a generic announcement/press release type article, &quot;Abhishek Bachchan, seen here at the UK launch of his new film, &#039;Players&#039;, in which he stars as the cool hero blah blah blah&quot;.

You probably wouldn&#039;t expect to see the bottom image accompanying that story... but if the intended article&#039;s slant was &quot;Hey look, reader: Abhishek Bachchan, star of new film &#039;Players&#039;, is actually just the same as you, all human and fallible, what with his constant phone-checking and everything&quot; then suddenly the bottom image becomes the more appropriate choice.

How would you know this, as a photographer? 

Is it not the case that the photographer is in a less-informed position than the editor when it comes to deciding which shots to reject? Or am I wrong: do press photographers get briefed in advance as to what the story slant is going to be?

Apologies for any naivety-fuelled devil&#039;s advocacy here; as a graphic designer I know all too well the importance of not giving your client a choice... but I suspect that the designer-client relationship differs from that of the press photographer and their client. They&#039;re not asking you to come up with the single best solution[image], they&#039;re asking you to gather and provide assets so that *they* can pick the single best solution[image]. Or am I wrong in at least one way? Have I grabbed the wrong end of the stick? Am I mercilessly over-analysing what was intended to be a light-hearted fluff piece? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the brace of photos at the top being used to illustrate an example of a toofer, Leon?</p>
<p>I ask because I see two images of sufficient distinction as to be able to support/represent two different story slants [or spins, agendas, angles... whatever the industry parlance is].</p>
<p>For argument&#8217;s sake, let&#8217;s say that the top image would be suitable for a generic announcement/press release type article, &#8220;Abhishek Bachchan, seen here at the UK launch of his new film, &#8216;Players&#8217;, in which he stars as the cool hero blah blah blah&#8221;.</p>
<p>You probably wouldn&#8217;t expect to see the bottom image accompanying that story&#8230; but if the intended article&#8217;s slant was &#8220;Hey look, reader: Abhishek Bachchan, star of new film &#8216;Players&#8217;, is actually just the same as you, all human and fallible, what with his constant phone-checking and everything&#8221; then suddenly the bottom image becomes the more appropriate choice.</p>
<p>How would you know this, as a photographer? </p>
<p>Is it not the case that the photographer is in a less-informed position than the editor when it comes to deciding which shots to reject? Or am I wrong: do press photographers get briefed in advance as to what the story slant is going to be?</p>
<p>Apologies for any naivety-fuelled devil&#8217;s advocacy here; as a graphic designer I know all too well the importance of not giving your client a choice&#8230; but I suspect that the designer-client relationship differs from that of the press photographer and their client. They&#8217;re not asking you to come up with the single best solution[image], they&#8217;re asking you to gather and provide assets so that *they* can pick the single best solution[image]. Or am I wrong in at least one way? Have I grabbed the wrong end of the stick? Am I mercilessly over-analysing what was intended to be a light-hearted fluff piece? <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The complete alternative London &#8220;Knowledge&#8221; by wannabe git</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannabe git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The complete alternative London &#8220;Knowledge&#8221; by tabascokid</title>
		<link>http://www.leonneal.com/blog/2011/10/03/the-complete-alternative-london-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-92011</link>
		<dc:creator>tabascokid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul - Thanks very much!  You wouldn&#039;t believe the amount of draughts I wrote...  :)

@James - Cheers James.  I&#039;m not sure my brain could handle thinking more up.  Glad it was worth it though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul &#8211; Thanks very much!  You wouldn&#8217;t believe the amount of draughts I wrote&#8230;  <img src='http://www.leonneal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@James &#8211; Cheers James.  I&#8217;m not sure my brain could handle thinking more up.  Glad it was worth it though!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The complete alternative London &#8220;Knowledge&#8221; by James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Briliant and bookmarked!! 

More more more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Briliant and bookmarked!! </p>
<p>More more more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toof Ache by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a pro tog by any means but I shoot a few paid jobs, mostly low profile, local events and usually end up handing over the entire content of the memory cards dumped onto a dvd (after weeding out the dross and a touch of editing etc). They&#039;re not looking for &#039;that shot&#039;, but simply a record of the day. On the few occasions where I&#039;ve done more personal work like portrait work, presenting too many images sometimes baffles the hell out of them and they almost reject them all because of information overload. On the last two jobs I presented no more than a dozen and they had no trouble picking the one&#039;s they liked without much angst or hesitation. &quot;Less is more&quot;, &quot;Wood for the trees&quot; are phrases that come to mind.. It works (so far anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a pro tog by any means but I shoot a few paid jobs, mostly low profile, local events and usually end up handing over the entire content of the memory cards dumped onto a dvd (after weeding out the dross and a touch of editing etc). They&#8217;re not looking for &#8216;that shot&#8217;, but simply a record of the day. On the few occasions where I&#8217;ve done more personal work like portrait work, presenting too many images sometimes baffles the hell out of them and they almost reject them all because of information overload. On the last two jobs I presented no more than a dozen and they had no trouble picking the one&#8217;s they liked without much angst or hesitation. &#8220;Less is more&#8221;, &#8220;Wood for the trees&#8221; are phrases that come to mind.. It works (so far anyway).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toof Ache by tabascokid</title>
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		<dc:creator>tabascokid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, if the series actually tells a story and can illustrate the story unfolding, then it will work as a collection.  My issue, as I can tell you understand, comes from those who file six pictures of someone with little or no visible difference between any of them.  Bloggers are often the worst culprits though with posts that seem to be made up of endless repetitions of the same moment but from a micro-degree of a different angle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, if the series actually tells a story and can illustrate the story unfolding, then it will work as a collection.  My issue, as I can tell you understand, comes from those who file six pictures of someone with little or no visible difference between any of them.  Bloggers are often the worst culprits though with posts that seem to be made up of endless repetitions of the same moment but from a micro-degree of a different angle!</p>
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